Comments on: The Cheaters (Patriots) Don’t Deserve an * if they Run the Table http://www.touchdownskills.com/blog/archives/the-cheaters-patriots-dont-deserve-an-if-they-run-the-table/ Football training aids Wed, 8 Feb 2012 13:24:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Da Man http://www.touchdownskills.com/blog/archives/the-cheaters-patriots-dont-deserve-an-if-they-run-the-table/#comment-106 Da Man Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:08:29 +0000 http://www.touchdownskills.com/blog/archives/the-cheaters-patriots-dont-deserve-an-if-they-run-the-table/#comment-106 You over look a couple of facts. Merely because they were caught "once" doesn't mean their organization didn't benefit from it. Thanks for being one of the few to indicate they most likely benefited from it in the past. If they turned over a library (7 years worth) of footage to Goodell & the NFL, then clearly this was a habitual practice they used to improve their ability to compete. So they got caught once. Everyone wants to believe it was an isolated incident. We all know it wasn't now, after the fact. But what no one knows (because the NFL destroyed the evidence vs. pouring through it and launching an investigation as well they should have - a travesty and subject for discussion on a cover-up to protect the business that is the NFL...) is what was done with the tapes. The NFL kindly asked the Patriots to turn over all video tapes and associated files from the previous 7 years. They did it. What does that mean? Did the NFL go and collect the items at Foxboro? Did the NFL know what to ask for that should have been turned over? My point is this...we don't know how they converted tapes into usable intelligence. Maybe it was all converted to video tape that wasn't sent back to the NFL. Maybe it was converted to a book - Every NFL Coordinator's Signals 101 - and that wasn't sent back. Maybe it was converted to audio. Know one knows what was done with the intel. We just know the practice was valuable enough to have warranted walking an untheical line at the risk of getting caught. It led to some reward that was worth the risk. The benefit of that reward we'll never know about because the NFL didn't investigate, but instead covered it up. We know Bellichick is a cheat in his personal life (major adulterer), and now a professional cheat. Do we really believe that on his Scout's honor all of a sudden he's squeaky clean and turned it all over? He has an unthecial history. Who knows what was turned over, and who knows what remains in the library at Foxboro. The NFL accepted a shipment of tapes/documents, a note from "Epstein's mother", destroyed the evidence and said it is done. There's no evidence that was all of it. 7 years of tapes can lead to a lot of intelligence, output in who knows how many different formats that can be reused some believe for years. Who knows. And that is the catch...who does know?? Sports Illustrated reported the claims that headsets go out in Foxboro a lot. Happened to the Lions, the Bengals, and most recently the Skins. Those are just the teams who voiced the concern. Also reported the issues of defenders wearing microphones under their uniforms...Patriots personnel running through opponents' locker rooms looking for their playbooks. This is also the team that the NFL said itself last year was at the TOP of suspected cheating list. They got the first visit from Goodell and were told "don't do these things" and did it ANYWAY. IF they are that arrogant to do something mere months after Goodell slapped their wrist, what makes one believe they are now Nuns & Saints & walking a fine line? Because of the fines? Those fines equal a speeding ticket to you and me. I'm sorry, but where there's smoke their is fire. Too many teams call them out on the "suspect list". They've officially been caught doing it. And I don't think it's "over". I truly believe anyone who believes this was a one time thing, and that it stopped right there is being very myopic. Unfortunately we have no evidence on any more..and the NFL won't investigate it. It will take another whistle blowing ref or a very good, snoopy reporter to find more. Official or not, they will always have an * as I consider them. This is the general feeling outside NE too. Bill did succeed in polarizing the rest of the world. You over look a couple of facts. Merely because they were caught “once” doesn’t mean their organization didn’t benefit from it. Thanks for being one of the few to indicate they most likely benefited from it in the past. If they turned over a library (7 years worth) of footage to Goodell & the NFL, then clearly this was a habitual practice they used to improve their ability to compete.

So they got caught once. Everyone wants to believe it was an isolated incident. We all know it wasn’t now, after the fact. But what no one knows (because the NFL destroyed the evidence vs. pouring through it and launching an investigation as well they should have - a travesty and subject for discussion on a cover-up to protect the business that is the NFL…) is what was done with the tapes. The NFL kindly asked the Patriots to turn over all video tapes and associated files from the previous 7 years. They did it.

What does that mean? Did the NFL go and collect the items at Foxboro? Did the NFL know what to ask for that should have been turned over? My point is this…we don’t know how they converted tapes into usable intelligence. Maybe it was all converted to video tape that wasn’t sent back to the NFL. Maybe it was converted to a book - Every NFL Coordinator’s Signals 101 - and that wasn’t sent back. Maybe it was converted to audio. Know one knows what was done with the intel. We just know the practice was valuable enough to have warranted walking an untheical line at the risk of getting caught. It led to some reward that was worth the risk. The benefit of that reward we’ll never know about because the NFL didn’t investigate, but instead covered it up.

We know Bellichick is a cheat in his personal life (major adulterer), and now a professional cheat. Do we really believe that on his Scout’s honor all of a sudden he’s squeaky clean and turned it all over? He has an unthecial history. Who knows what was turned over, and who knows what remains in the library at Foxboro. The NFL accepted a shipment of tapes/documents, a note from “Epstein’s mother”, destroyed the evidence and said it is done. There’s no evidence that was all of it. 7 years of tapes can lead to a lot of intelligence, output in who knows how many different formats that can be reused some believe for years. Who knows.

And that is the catch…who does know?? Sports Illustrated reported the claims that headsets go out in Foxboro a lot. Happened to the Lions, the Bengals, and most recently the Skins. Those are just the teams who voiced the concern. Also reported the issues of defenders wearing microphones under their uniforms…Patriots personnel running through opponents’ locker rooms looking for their playbooks. This is also the team that the NFL said itself last year was at the TOP of suspected cheating list. They got the first visit from Goodell and were told “don’t do these things” and did it ANYWAY. IF they are that arrogant to do something mere months after Goodell slapped their wrist, what makes one believe they are now Nuns & Saints & walking a fine line? Because of the fines? Those fines equal a speeding ticket to you and me. I’m sorry, but where there’s smoke their is fire. Too many teams call them out on the “suspect list”. They’ve officially been caught doing it. And I don’t think it’s “over”.

I truly believe anyone who believes this was a one time thing, and that it stopped right there is being very myopic. Unfortunately we have no evidence on any more..and the NFL won’t investigate it. It will take another whistle blowing ref or a very good, snoopy reporter to find more.

Official or not, they will always have an * as I consider them. This is the general feeling outside NE too. Bill did succeed in polarizing the rest of the world.

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